Speak Out with Tim Wise
Episode 39: Movement Building for Justice: Black Self-Determination, White Allyship & Intersectionality
June 19, 2018 08:29 AM PDT
Today’s episode features a conversation on social justice movement building between Tim and three of the nation’s most engaging thinkers and activists: Tia Oso, Dayvon Love and Chris Crass. The dialogue took place in front of a live audience at the National Conference on Race and Ethnicity in Higher Education (NCORE) in New Orleans on May 31.
Among the topics discussed by the panel: What things get in the way of effective movement building? What are the lessons we can take away from past and present movements about how to push through those obstacles? Are there common mistakes we make in this work, and if so, how can we learn from them as we move forward? What is the role of white people in social justice work? How important is Black self-determination to the cause of liberation and how has it been often overlooked within both historical and contemporary accounts of movement organizing? We’ll discuss all this and more on today’s episode of Speak Out With Tim Wise.Episode 38 - Psychologies of Oppression: Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome, the Death of Empathy & the Assimilation Blues
June 05, 2018 07:38 AM PDT
This episode is the first of three programs taped in front of a live audience at the National Conference on Race and Ethnicity in Higher Education (NCORE), held from May 29 to June 2, 2018 in New Orleans.
The guests — Joy Degruy, Jacqueline Battalora, and Rahuldeep Gill — explore the ways that people of color are psychologically affected by racialized injustice, from internalizing oppression to feeling intense pressure to assimilate, and the way whites in America are conditioned not only to accept our “superiority” but to restrain and subdue our own natural empathic tendencies, which might otherwise mitigate against injustice.
Additionally, the panel discusses the way racial trauma is transmitted across generations, the importance of using a sense of shared injury and pain as a bridge for building movement solidarity, and the issue of how and why we must begin to repair the damage of accumulated racial injury, both collectively and individually.Episode 37 - Before You Call the Cops: A Conversation w/ Tyler Merritt About Personal Narrative & the Power of Empathy
May 30, 2018 12:23 PM PDT
On this week’s episode, Tim speaks with Tyler Merritt, whose original video “Before You Call the Cops” recently went viral, provoking conversations across the nation about racism, stereotypes, and the importance of empathy in combatting racial injustice.
The video, part of a larger effort he calls the Tyler Merritt Project, seeks to reach hearts and minds through original video content steeped in both humor and personal narrative. Tim and Tyler discuss the importance of personal narrative, the proper role of humor in addressing social injustice, the role of artists in addressing matters of social concern, and what it means that so many people responded viscerally to “Before You Call the Cops.” They’ll also address some of the criticisms leveled at the video by folks in the larger antiracism struggle as well as some of Tyler’s other material on race and how it fits into racial justice activism.Episode 36: Equal Opportunity for Dummies: Reclaiming Progressive Principles from Right-Wing Distortion
May 22, 2018 12:50 PM PDT
On this episode of Speak Out with Tim Wise, I offer an extended analysis of the issue of equal opportunity and its real meaning. Often the right insists that they are the ones who believe in equal opportunity while the left is calling for “equal outcomes” or “equal results,” and that these notions are fundamentally at odds with the reality of individual differences in ability and the requirements of a free society. But this framing is fundamentally dishonest.
First, the left does not claim that everyone has the same abilities, or that everyone should have exactly the same “stuff” or expect the same outcomes. But the reality of inequalities and the normalcy of certain disparities in outcome cannot justify the vast gaps between the haves and have-nots in this society or the world, especially since those gaps have grown in recent years. And as regards race, there is no reason for individual-level ability differences to cluster by so-called racial group unless one presupposes racial inferiority or superiority: fundamentally racist notions that most all conservatives insist they reject.
Second, for real equal opportunity to exist, a certain equity of access is a necessary prerequisite. Simply passing civil rights laws and proclaiming the competitions of life fair and equal doesn’t make them so when generations of sedimented inequality have been built up and transmitted. To simply rely on procedural equality of opportunity would be like expecting those who start out 5 laps back in an 8-lap race to catch up to those with a built-in (unearned) advantage, and thinking such an expectation fair and just.
Justice requires that correctives to intergenerational inequality be developed and carried out so as to provide the groundwork for any meaningful and operational system of equal opportunity.
Bottom line: the right’s version of equal opportunity is a smokescreen intended to sound as though it is rooted in a commitment to fairness, but one which in truth is intended to rationalize the maintenance of existing hierarchies of power and privilege.
This extended personal commentary is an important corrective to common conservative propaganda and right-wing talking points.Episode 35: Coffee, Community and Justice: A Conversation with Keba Konte of Red Bay Coffee
May 15, 2018 10:05 AM PDT
On today’s episode, I speak with Keba Konte, founder of Red Bay Coffee in Oakland CA. On a mission to diversify the look and feel of the specialty coffee business in America, Konte’s business model for Red Bay considers issues of equity and fairness at all points along the supply chain: from where the coffee is grown and how much growers are paid, to how much his own baristas and other employees receive in pay and profit sharing, so they can continue to afford to live in rapidly gentrifying communities like the Bay Area.
Blending commerce and conscience — and demonstrating a successful model rooted in fairness, equity, and community — makes Red Bay Coffee a model for not only the coffee industry but for companies in general.
And at a time when companies like Starbucks are training their white employees on matters of implicit racial bias, companies like Red Bay are demonstrating that people of color ownership and connection to communities of color might well be an even deeper and more meaningful institutional challenge to racism.
This episode also contains Tim’s commentary on the recent spate of white folks calling police on people of color in a number of high profile incidents, and what these suggest about white privilege, white fragility and the current political and cultural moment.Episode 34: Raising White Kids for Racial Justice in a Racially Unjust Society: A Conversation with Dr. Jennifer Harvey
May 08, 2018 09:09 AM PDT
On today’s episode of Speak Out with Tim Wise, Tim speaks with Dr. Jennifer Harvey, Professor of Philosophy and Religion at Drake University, and author of the new book, Raising White Kids: Bringing Up Children in Racially Unjust America (for which he provided the foreword).
They’ll discuss the reasons why so many white parents avoid discussions of race with our kids, and the harm this silence ultimately does to our children's understanding of racial dynamics in America.
The conversation explores the common (if well-meaning) mistakes often made by white parents, and why telling your kids “we’re all equal,” is not only unhelpful but actually detrimental to the creation of a more racially just society.
They’ll discuss examples in their own lives, and interactions with their own kids, where racial issues came to the fore and how they handled those moments — for good and bad — and how parents can become more competent at fostering a healthy antiracist white identity development in their children, thereby helping to generate in those young white people a true sense of solidarity with peoples of color.Episode 33: Jody David Armour - Examining & Confronting "Negrophobia" in White America and the Legal System
May 01, 2018 12:33 PM PDT
On today's episode of Speak Out with Tim Wise, Tim speaks with Jody David Armour, the Roy P. Crocker Professor of Law at the University of Southern California, and a leading expert on the intersection between race and legal decision making. They’ll discuss the ongoing relevance of a book Armour wrote over 20 years ago, concerning the way that white Americans and the larger legal system have sought to rationalize racism and discriminatory treatment of African Americans, and to normalize what Armour calls “Negrophobia.”
From Bernard Goetz in 1980s New York to George Zimmerman more recently, as well as in case after case of police-involved shootings of unarmed black folks, the rationalizing of racial prejudice and the fear of black bodies has been a constant. As Armour notes on the program, this problem is more than one of individual bias; indeed, the workings of the justice system itself — from evidentiary standards to the “reasonable person” standard of analysis in jury instructions — virtually ensure the enshrining of Negrophobia in law and custom.
Wise and Armour will also explore the way Negrophobia can affect the thinking of black Americans, often leading to an internalized bias against other black folks, especially along lines of socioeconomic status. And finally, they’ll examine possible ways to move the national narrative on crime and violence away from irrational fear, hatred and a thirst for revenge, towards more restorative and redemptive practices and policies.Episode 32: Monifa Bandele - Empowering Black Women and Reducing Racial Disparities in Maternal Health
April 24, 2018 08:23 AM PDT
On today’s episode, Tim speaks with Monifa Bandele, Vice President and Chief Partnership & Equity Officer for Moms Rising: an organization committed to amplifying women's voices within the national public policy dialogue and media.
Tim and Monifa discuss Mom’s Rising’s campaign to address the disturbing maternal health disparities between black and white women in America, including distressing rates of maternal mortality for African American women irrespective of socioeconomic status. Why are black women dying at much higher rates, and how does racism — implicit and institutional — contribute to the problem? How do stereotypes of black women, often held even by white physicians, endanger their lives? And what policy changes are needed to address the problem?
They’ll also discuss last week’s removal of the statue of J. Marion Sims from Central Park in New York City. Sims, often called the “father of gynecology” (itself a rather absurd term given the long history of midwifery), developed many of his gynecological methods after submitting enslaved black women to torturous techniques, against their will, and without anesthesia. Why is the removal of the statue important, and not only at a symbolic level?
Finally, this episode includes a commentary by Tim about the implicit white nationalism at the heart of a number of recent incidents, in which black bodies were presumed not to belong in certain spaces, including that Philadelphia Starbucks we’ve all heard about. While many think of white nationalism as something that comes with burning crosses and marching around with tiki torches (as in Charlottesville last August), the presumption that black folks (and other people of color) simply don’t belong “here” (meaning our neighborhood, our school, our businesses, etc) is all too common and ingrained in the fabric of America.Episode 31: (LIVE Taping) Victories from Inside Out: Dismantling the Prison-Industrial Complex
April 17, 2018 08:56 AM PDT
On today's episode, Tim sits in conversation with two of the nation’s most inspiring criminal justice and prison reform activists, Taina Vargas-Edmond and Dorsey Nunn, during the first-ever recording of the show in front of a live audience.
Vargas-Edmond is the Executive Director and co-Founder of Initiate Justice and Dorsey Nunn is the Executive Director of Legal Services for Prisoners With Children/All of Us or None. In this public dialogue — a fundraiser for their respective groups sponsored by Bay Area SURJ (Showing Up for Racial Justice) — they discuss a number of critical issues, including:
-- The devastating impact of incarceration on families and communities;
-- The importance of seeing the incarcerated as multi-dimensional human beings rather than broken and dangerous individuals incapable of restoration;
-- Why it’s so important to involve the incarcerated and their families directly in advocacy work and to have them actually leading those efforts;
-- The importance of some recent successes in California and elsewhere when it comes to criminal justice reform; and finally, the work that remains to be done to create a more just society for all.Episode 30: #WeCounterHate - Creating an Innovative Digital Response to Racism on Twitter
April 10, 2018 10:55 AM PDT
On today’s episode of Speak Out With Tim Wise, Tim speaks with the folks behind the We Counter Hate project: an ingenious and creative new effort to counter hate speech on Twitter. As you’ll hear on the program, the project involves the use of computer technology to identify hate speech, alert those who spread it that it has been deemed hate speech, and then let them know that for every re-tweet of the material, a donation will be made to an organization fighting the very hatred they seek to spread. Ultimately the goal is to get “hatefluencers”to think twice before retweeting bigoted content, by raising the cost of their free speech. Neither censorship nor shaming of racists will suffice to shut them down, but this creative approach is making a difference. Tweets marked by the We Counter Hate system get retweeted up to 70 percent less often than tweets sent out by the same Twitter accounts, but which were not marked.
Also on the program is Sammy Rangel, the Executive Director of Life After Hate — which works to help people leave the white supremacist movement and inoculate others to their poison — and which has worked with the folks at We Counter Hate to develop the model and the approach used in this effort.
Speak Out with Tim Wise is an informative and entertaining podcast aimed at promoting multiracial democracy and justice in dangerous times. The show features the biting, factual, and humorous commentary of its host, alongside dialogue with some of the nation's leading scholars, artists and activists, as well as grassroots community leaders whose voices are often ignored in the dominant media.
I'm an anti-racism educator and author who has spent the past 25 years speaking around the country about methods for dismantling racism. I'm also the author of seven books. And now I'm excited to host this new podcast focused on racial and economic justice in the age of Trump, and how to effectively push for real and lasting change.
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